CLASS 11 COALITION - Forum

Subject: wheel spacers - by: OMG Kenyon

Mon, 20 May 2013 13:11:16 -0700

Has anybody used wheel spacers? I have trouble finding the deeper offset wheels so I've thought about welding a spacer to the smaller offset rims to get the same backspacing. Thought I'd see if anybody has sheared off wheel studs before I tried it...

Subject: Ed Mahoney - by: Gotdirty22

Tue, 14 May 2013 20:55:00 -0700

Hey Ed pm me

Chris a
1138

Subject: Another N00b / tire kicker - by: RHough

Sat, 11 May 2013 17:23:13 -0700

Hello all,

I've been reading everything I can find about building a VW Type 1 for a play vehicle. First question. Is there any reason not to use a newer VW? They made Type 1's (not stupor beetles) in Mexico until 2004. Seems like starting with a 12vdc, 10 - 15 year old car should get to the same place as starting with a 30 - 40 year old car?

IRS and a Ball Joint front end are all Type 1 as near as I can tell.

90 - Cat Converter
91 - Disk Brakes in front
91-92+ E.F.I

All have dual port Type 1 engines.

The reason I ask is that I live in Mexico and the newer bugs are cheaper than the older ones and many of the older cars have been restored. I'd hate to take a sawzall to a nice late 60's early 70's resto when I can get a 89-2004 for 50% or less of the cost.

What am I missing?

Cheers,

Randy

Subject: looking to get into Class 11 - by: Hadlock

Fri, 10 May 2013 11:47:24 -0700

Hi Everyone

This will probably sound crazy but it wouldn’t be the first time. This started when my son and I watched a show about the Baja 500 and decided to look into desert racing. Clearly we need to start small and see how it goes but maybe it will work out sometime in the future, who knows? We don’t have any expectations about being competitive but just what to have some father and son fun. Cass 11 looks great and we think it is the probably the best place to get started. So far so good. Now for the crazy part, we live in Florida and could make it out west a maybe 4-5 times a year. The ideal situation for us would be to buy a midlevel race ready car and have someone in Ca keep it for us and bring it to and from events. Obviously we would need pit support and a bunch of other stuff I don’t even know about. Is there anyone who might want to discuss this in more detail? Cant wait to read your comments!

Thanks

Mark
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Subject: Daily Driver Class 11 - by: michaelbrenner

Wed, 08 May 2013 18:05:51 -0700

Many of you know I Heart Class 11 and have been racing for a few years. I have noticed how fast these cars can be and how many of us race fully prepared vehicles with full-tilt high compression motors, long bodied shocks with elaborate reservoir systems, custom fuel cells, fresh air pumpers, GPS', no glass or interior and terrible body work!

DaveCo and Dennis have been around long enough to remember when Class 11 was a street car converted to racing use by making more subtle changes.

I am trying to build up a street driven, daily driver type of car as my 'Friday' driver!

I'm calling on guys who have hordes of VW parts laying around from a full-race car build.....I need your parts to complete my shell of a car! I need the following:

All Glass
Steering column (as complete as possible)
Speedo
Glovebox
Ashtray
Dash knobs and cables
Rear Seat
Stock tank for a '71 (fuel filler door on passenger side)
Vent parts
Wiper parts
Old style oil cooler (to mount above rear window)
Bilstein or Fox shocks without reservoirs (rear stock 5" stroke)

Here's the carrot..... I will be building this car and documenting it on this site.

I will do a beam build, rear arms, rear stops, cage, seat mounts, and all the other countless mods we do to our race car as applicable.

My aim is to have a really nice, full interior, street driver with a low compression race legal motor and trans. Think 80's style Class 11!

Who wants to help a brother out? I'm thinking Beige.......

Subject: New guy - by: patrickcn

Wed, 08 May 2013 13:59:42 -0700

Hi All,
Glad I found this forum! I've been interested in class 11 for awhile and am looking to finally take my first steps in achieving my goals of racing it. My first steps are coming here and buging you guys/gals with info requests and learning what I can.
I plan on doing the majority of the building myself (I'm an ASE Master Tech and love wrench turning, plus not exactly rich enough to hire others to do it haha).
Anyways, this is a great forum from what I've seen. Be warned though, I do have a wicked sense of humor :-).
Hope to learn from you all.

Subject: long ranger gas tank drain/ catch - by: Sideways Strait

Tue, 07 May 2013 22:46:55 -0700

looking to installing a long ranger gas tank up front in the stock location. Does anyone have photos of fuel tank drain/catch boot or grommet installed, that penetrates through the hood???

Subject: 2013 VORRA round two - by: DirtDgr

Mon, 06 May 2013 20:04:59 -0700

We had the second short course race a couple weeks back now. Congratulations to the Petfinders on the overall win! You guys were on it! The Dingos were second with Meek Racing coming in third OA.

Subject: Rear Shocks - by: Gotdirty22

Mon, 06 May 2013 16:29:16 -0700

I am proposing a rule change to Roger Norman for SCORE Class 11.

Rear shock length is not limited.

The reason I am going to propose this change is two-fold.
1. The loophole in the current rule has been fully exploited to the point of no return.
Everyone has figured out how to use whatever length shock they want and still manage to keep it 18 inches eye to eye.
2. Shock manufacturers are exploiting the rule with simple 2.0 smooth body shocks turned into a fancy shock that they charge double for.

What are the repurcussions of the rule change? I believe that it will have no effect on the current playing field of rear shocks. Only that it will present more opportunity for mounting the shocks. I think the same length shocks will continue to be used. Based on seeing current setups we are limited in the location by a few things, our cages generally restrict where you can put the shock inside the car and on the trailing arm (only speaking to IRS here) we have to worry about the tire hitting the shock the further out from center it is placed.

Lets here it.

Subject: Trans rebuild - by: Viccari

Sat, 04 May 2013 20:32:28 -0700

I'm currently rebuilding a trans in a 73 1600. It is a manual. It's completely out of the car now and having trouble getting the bearing out in the pic provided. I already have the slip nuts/ retaining ring. I can't the housing off.

Subject: Hello - by: Viccari

Sat, 04 May 2013 20:27:31 -0700

Hey guys, it's good to be part of the forum. I'm looking forward to sharing, and learning about vws and the world of class 11 racing

Subject: 2013 Yerington 300 - by: paulfrenchy

Fri, 03 May 2013 07:40:08 -0700

Who's racing?

Subject: Limited Slip Differentials - by: TempeDogs

Thu, 02 May 2013 12:20:42 -0700

We're rebuilding our transaxle for the Baja 500 and was offered a limited slip differential in lieu of the super diff we run now. Looked at websites by Quaife and Wavetrac. These LSD's look like they could be amazing in a class 11. Looked at SCORE trans rules presently: “Type 1 bug, 4-speed transaxle only. Heavy-duty side plates and differential allowed. 8:33 ring and pinion and drive gears must be used. No close ratio gears. Axle over tubes are not permitted. Other internal modifications are optional. Rear transaxle mounts may be supported by a maximum of two (2) vertical straps of 0.25”x1” dimension. Adjustable straps are optional. Any gearshift lever allowed. May use any manufacturers Type 1, 2 or 181 stub axle. May use any VW CV joint. Oversized bolts allowed.” Seems to me that there is no clear yay or nay on LSD's. "Other internal modifications are optional" seems nearly wide open?!? Does anyone in Class 11 run these expensive buggers? ($1000-1600 seems to be the going for Quaife and Wavetrac models that fit the Beetle). Has anyone run these off road and care to describe results? Seems like an LSD would make a huge difference in performance and especially traction in a Class 11 application. My concerns are staying within SCORE/SNORE rules and especially not destroying our Type 2 CV's, 181 stub axles or other trans components due to a new and unusual loading pattern caused by adding an LSD. Looks like LSD's are primarily used in US for drag applications but in the UK they use them for rally driving which would be similar to our use (abuse?) patterns off road. Also these LSD's seem to be heavily built for much more horsepower than we are running as they are commonly used on drag, turbo and tuner cars in the 200HP+ range so I'm thinking they must be pretty tough. Thoughts anyone?

Subject: Jeff Lee's Petfinder wins 2nd VORRA short course - by: ronjon

Sat, 27 Apr 2013 21:12:18 -0700

Congrats to the absent Jeff Lee and his Petfinder team for taking first place in VORRA's second short course race of the 2013 season at Prairie City outside Sacramento last weekend.

Dave Meek was spanking everyone all weekend long with Petfinder second and us moseying along in third place for most of the weekend. Meek hit a spate of bad luck (and a patch of mud) on the third moto, rolling his car. We took second place on the third moto and thanks to some sort of advanced math that's beyond my pay grade, it gave us second place for the weekend.

We also hit a turkey.

Full write up here - www.desertdingo.com/blog/second-at-prairie-city/

Rumor has it a new Class 11 is showing up for the Yerington 300. TNT, anyone?

Subject: NORRA - by: OldManx

Fri, 26 Apr 2013 11:32:39 -0700

NORRA 1000 Mexican Rally

Subject: Aircooled Fiesta 2013 - VW Show - by: Frijolero

Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:03:24 -0700

Hi All,
San Diego Aircooled is having their first anual VW car show on May 5. We are inviting all aircooled vehicles to participate. This includes VW offroad and race vehicles.

Hope some of you can make it.

Thanks